Thursday, December 4, 2008

What do you suppose our founding fathers meant by these statements? CHRUCH AND STATE.........

PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO JEFFERSON since the separation of church and state as its known in america in 2008 is totally based off one letter Jefferson wrote to a congregation ...

I DARE SAY HE WOULD NEVER HAVE WROTE THE LETTER if he had but a glimpse of what that letter was used to implement in America ....

SEPERATION of CHURCH AND STATE is not in the constitution. That phrase only exist in a letter Jefferson wrote 30 years after the revolution....


The highest glory of the American Revolution was this - that it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."
- John Quincy Adams

"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests."
- Andrew Jackson

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed."
- Noah Webster

"We have staked the future of American civilization upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
- James Madison

"He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world."
- Benjamin Franklin

"It can not be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus Christ."
- Patrick Henry

"The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles...to this we owe our free constitutions of government."
- Noah Webster

"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?"
- Thomas Jefferson

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almight God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor."
- George Washington

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited.... What a utopia, what a paradise would this region be."
- John Adams

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
- John Adams

1 comment:

TexasCowboy said...

http://www.americaforpurchase.com/religious-right/founding-fathers-were-not-christians/

As a Christian it perplexs me about the obsession by the Religioius Right to manipulate US history to serve their own political purposes and many Americans follow these people like sheep to the slaughter without question. Whether the founders of this nation were Christian or not, does not in one way sway my personal religious views nor my Christian faith. What does sway people is when they discover the Religious Right perpetuates dishonesty for political gain which is in direct conflict to Biblical teaching.One of the most common statements from the “Religious Right” is that they want this country to “return to the Christian principles on which it was founded”. However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.
When the Founders wrote the nation’s Constitution, they specified that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day– giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words “Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God” are never mentioned in the Constitution– not once.
The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.
The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was “in no sense founded on the Christian religion” (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims– they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature’s God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson’s words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here in blue italics: “All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable.” Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: “All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.” But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence– it is a historical document, not a constitutional one.